KFrom: IN%"EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET" "Elaine Brennan" 26-NOV-1993 05:55:12.87HTo: IN%"HUMANIST@BROWNVM.BITNET" "Multiple recipients of list HUMANIST"CC: CSubj: 7.0308 Rs: Concording; Dante; Goethe; Jongleur; CDs (6/105)MReceived: from HKUVM1.HKU.HK (MAILER@HKUVM1) by vax.csc.cuhk.hk (PMDF #12160)F id <01H5REA1BY5S8WWALK@vax.csc.cuhk.hk>; Fri, 26 Nov 1993 05:54 +0800NReceived: from HKUVM1.HKU.HK by HKUVM1.HKU.HK (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP% id 2995; Fri, 26 Nov 93 05:51:40 HKT#Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 16:48:34 EST-From: Elaine Brennan FSubject: 7.0308 Rs: Concording; Dante; Goethe; Jongleur; CDs (6/105)CSender: "HUMANIST: Humanities Computing" BTo: Multiple recipients of list HUMANIST 1Reply-to: Elaine Brennan 0Message-id: <01H5REA1BY5S8WWALK@vax.csc.cuhk.hk>CHumanist Discussion Group, Vol. 7, No. 0308. Thursday, 25 Nov 1993.  H(1) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 12:16:34 -0500 (EST) (15 lines); From: Cathy Ball ! Subject: Re: Concordancing H(2) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:32:37 CST (37 lines): From: "Jim Marchand" ! Subject: e-texts on CD-ROM H(3) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:38:27 CST (14 lines): From: "Jim Marchand"  Subject: Dante e-texts H(4) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:36:58 CST (16 lines): From: "Jim Marchand" & Subject: Jongleur de Notre Dame G(5) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 14:13:35 EST (8 lines)( From: Joe Raben ( Subject: Re: 7.0294 E-Texts: CDs G(6) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:44:14 CST (15 lines)6 From: "Jim Marchand" ! Subject: Goethe on diskette H(1) --------------------------------------------------------------------+Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 12:16:34 -0500 (EST)1From: Cathy Ball Subject: Re: Concordancing ITimothy Reuter and Willard McCarty observe that there may be considerableApreliminary work required before producing a concordance, e.g. inGediting or marking up the text for morphology, syntax, or even semanticGcategories. The production of electronic editions and annotated text isFcertainly scholarship, and *that*'s what deserves the kudos - in fact,Ait seems to me that it's the electronic editions that ought to beKpublished; then the rest of the scholarly community can use what tools they6prefer for their own literary and linguistic analysis!  -- Cathy Ball (Georgetown) cball@guvax.georgetown.eduH(2) --------------------------------------------------------------50----!Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:32:37 CST0From: "Jim Marchand" Subject: e-texts on CD-ROM LIn answer to Ian's question about e-texts on CD-ROM. Being a CDROM freak, I4own all of these, most of them strongly overlapping: HThe Complete Bookshop is originally from Chestnut. It is a potpourri ofLprograms of all sorts, mostly shareware; it also contains a number of texts,Cand is best used by your own viewer. The front-end is rudimentary. IDesktop Bookshop, from Unica, is a mirror of the old Walnut Creek DesktopLLibrary, with the exception that it no longer contains Peter Pan. Best usedwith LIST or some such. IGreat Literature is somewhat more sophisticated in its front-end than theJabove two, and costs a little more. They all contain much the same texts.8It is the product of the Bureau Development Corporation. FGreatest Books Collection is by World Library and is a subset of their-Library of the Future, containing 150 titles. JLibrary of the Future, 1st edition, contained about 450 titles. It is putIout by World Library and is marketed (usually in a bundle) by DAK, as IanEpointed out. Good front-end. If you get it from DAK, good launcher. JLibrary of the Future, 2d edition, contains about 950 titles. This is theJCadillac/Rolls-Royce of the e-texts on CD-ROM, though Desktop Bookshop hasmore texts, I think. HAll of the above have only English language items. The translations areIfrequently good (Dryden), frequently miserable. There are, of course, noGmodern editions, since copyright has to have lapsed. Since all but theJLibrary of the Future items can often be purchased for under $20.00, it isGwell to look them up in Computer Shopper before buying, even in the UK.! Jim Marchand.H(3) --------------------------------------------------------------27----!Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 11:38:27 CST0From: "Jim Marchand" Subject: Dante e-texts JI don't know of any Dante e-texts, but of course Dartmouth has their DanteKproject online for interrogation by telnet. There are occasional snippets,Gsuch as my edition/translation of the Can Grande letter, available fromGvarious places, particular its origin at the University of PennsylvaniaD(thanks to O'Donnell). It seems to me that there is a great deal ofEduplication, wasted effort, etc. We all ought to back the GeorgetownJProject and list our works in progress. There is more to be done than can?be done, and it would be good for all of us to keep up with the4bibliographic tools available online for keeping up. Jim Marchand.H(4) --------------------------------------------------------------29----!Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:36:58 CST0From: "Jim Marchand" Subject: Jongleur de Notre Dame LThe medieval source for this story has been published by a number of people.JIt was discovered in 1872 by Wendelin Foerster, who published it in the 2dGvolume of Romania (1873). It is often referred to as Tumbeor de NostreJDame, in German as Der Springer unserer lieben Frau. Anatole France lovedGthe Miracles of the Virgin and took many themes from Gautier de Coincy.DThere is an excellent edition of the Old French by H. Waechter, "DerFSpringer unserer lieben Frau," Romanische Forschungen 11.1 (1897). HeJmentions several modern works based on the story, even at that early date.IIt _is_ a splendid example of medieval recta ratio theory, "do your thingIand you will be saved." I think I saw a recent translation into English,perhaps in the Toronto series. Jim Marchand.H(5) --------------------------------------------------------------18----)Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 14:13:35 EST&From: Joe Raben PSubject: Re: 7.0294 E-Texts: CDs; Goethe; Thoreau; Irish; Dante; Treaties; LBack in the 1960s, Antonio Zampolli at CNUCE in Pisa published a concordanceJto either Dante or the Divine Comedy. He must still have the etext and mayMhave put it out on CD ROM. If he hasn't, a request for it may motivate him todo so.H(6) --------------------------------------------------------------28----!Date: Sun, 14 Nov 93 18:44:14 CST0From: "Jim Marchand" Subject: Goethe on diskette BThere is indeed an e-Goethe, published by the Max Niemeyer Verlag,LTuebingen. The texts are encoded in WordCruncher format and are meant to beEused through WordCruncher. Our library has a copy, I think. It _is_Lexpensive, but it is so easy to use. It is the Hamburger Ausgabe, so is notIentirely complete, and you have to take it as it is, but it is something.JThe editors are, I think, Randy Jones and Stephen Sondrup. It seems to beHexpensive, and it comes on lots of diskettes, but it is good and usable,Gsince we are not likely to have printed concordances of Goethe for someJtime. For my money, it is better than a printed concordance. It began tobe published in 1989. Jim Marchand.